tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19614248.post115505793745374327..comments2023-05-30T05:16:03.894-04:00Comments on The Barbershop: Dennis Byrne, proprietor: Illinois Races Draw National AttentionDennis Byrne...http://www.blogger.com/profile/12684119518936854024noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19614248.post-1155229266888904482006-08-10T13:01:00.000-04:002006-08-10T13:01:00.000-04:00Expanding on the last post -Politics often involve...Expanding on the last post -<BR/><BR/>Politics often involves group self interest, and this divides people by race, wealth etc. But sometimes underlying ethical/religious divides drive politics as well. <BR/><BR/>In ethics many questions are easy to get universal agreement on. Where there is disagreement, I find it useful to divide ethics by three different "poles".<BR/><BR/>There is the egotist pole that has its political expression in libertarianism. The guiding principle is maximum liberty consistent with the same for others.<BR/><BR/>Another pole is the utilitarian pole. It finds political expression in socialism. The guiding principle is the "most good for the greatest number".<BR/><BR/>Finally there is a traditionalist pole. The guiding principle is the traditional norms of the society (often found in unchanging scripture or documents, and therefore backed by Divine approval). The political expression is Nationalism.<BR/><BR/>If in your thinking you blend theses three poles as on average your society does, then almost by definition you are a centrist.<BR/><BR/>Vermont is strong on a blend of Libertarianism and Utilitarianism, and Alabama is very Traditionalist.<BR/><BR/>In WWII the Republicans had the Libertarian vote, and that was about it. With both the Traditionalist and Utilitarian vote, Roosevelt dominated.<BR/><BR/>When Nixon looked South, followed by Reagan, the Republicans had the Traditionalist vote, and the Libertarian vote. With only the utilitarian vote, the Democrats had no chance.<BR/><BR/>Today the Republicans have a lock on the Traditionalist vote, and are quickly bleeding the Libertarian vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19614248.post-1155227605852348682006-08-10T12:33:00.000-04:002006-08-10T12:33:00.000-04:00Echoing a comment by Stephen Schade above -The par...Echoing a comment by Stephen Schade above -<BR/><BR/>The parties have most definitely changed their geographical appeal over time and with it their basic character<BR/><BR/>This page -<BR/>http://www.davegentile.com/philosophy/Vermont.html<BR/>traces the history of the parties by looking at presidential elections from the point of view of Vermont (with Alabama for contrast). <BR/><BR/>What state elected a governor from the nation’s first third party (the Wigs) to oppose "King Jackson" (a Democrat from the South)?<BR/><BR/>Vermont<BR/><BR/>What state produced a radical abolitionist speaker of the house, and voted for (Republican) Lincoln by the largest margin of any state?<BR/><BR/>Vermont<BR/><BR/>What state has the longest unbroken Republican voting streak? <BR/><BR/>Vermont<BR/><BR/>In what state did Bush lose the most ground between 2000 and 2004?<BR/><BR/>The same state that produced Howard Dean - Vermont.<BR/><BR/>The basic views and assumptions of the people of Vermont and Alabama have not changed that dramatically over time. The parties have changed.<BR/><BR/>Look at the election mapes of 1896 and 2000/2004 and they are almost opposite colors. We've made one full cycle since then, it seems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19614248.post-1155059716659669072006-08-08T13:55:00.000-04:002006-08-08T13:55:00.000-04:00Dear Mr. Byrne:I too was disappointed by the treat...Dear Mr. Byrne:<BR/><BR/>I too was disappointed by the treatment of Cegelis. However, Iraq is clearly the No. 1 issue this year, so Duckworth may turn out to be a good choice. Moreover, she is not just a one-issue candidate, having some background in health care, another major issue. So, I am willing to give her a chance.<BR/><BR/>The bluing trend you noticed in Illinois is part of a larger national trend in which the two parties have switched places. Northeasterners went Democratic decades ago, and the Midwest has followed suit. Some Western states are also trending Democratic, such as Colorado, Kansas, Montana, and Arizona. And it is not because liberals have moved to these locales. Rather, people have changed parties because they feel the GOP no longer represents their views.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com